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@Gently28 Gently28 commented Apr 7, 2025

Routine patching 例行维护 恒例Check&correction!
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Routine patching 例行维护 恒例Check&correction!
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Allofich commented Apr 8, 2025

Thank you for your contribution, but I think your PRs are difficult to understand. For this and #13551, I suggest writing out an explanation of the changes and each of the comments for the DIP switches in Chinese if that is your most proficient language. You can include a machine translation, or the PR reviewers can probably do that themselves, or even read the Chinese if they understand it.

Also, if you have some sources for your changes to the DIP switches, like schematic photographs, I suggest you include them so the basis for your changes is clear.

感谢你的贡献,但我觉得你的 PR 很难理解。对于这个 PR 以及#13551
我建议你用中文写出你所做更改的解释,以及关于 DIP 开关每条注释的说明,如果中文是你最熟练的语言的话。你也可以附上机器翻译,或者 PR 的审核者可以自己翻译,甚至如果他们懂中文,也可以直接阅读中文说明。

另外,如果你有一些关于你修改 DIP 开关的依据,比如原理图的照片,我建议你也一并附上,这样可以更清楚地说明你更改的依据。

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Allofich commented Apr 8, 2025

From your screenshots, I guess that the SW1 DIP switch change, at least, is from testing with the service mode of the game.

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Gently28 commented Apr 9, 2025

游戏中有一种功能叫「三元ラッシュ」(图1),游戏过程中出现时(图2),玩家可以兑换三元牌(图3)从而荣和女孩弃牌(图4)。这个功能的周期大约是16(±3;13~19)回,SW1-1 KEY 游戏默认是OFF,所以它回出现(前图1);如果开启该KEY,则游戏无论多少回都不会出现「三元ラッシュ」,值为0(前图2)。
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cuavas commented Apr 9, 2025

I corrected some of the settings in f0b8878.

For mjelctrn:

  • I couldn’t trigger the Sangen Rush no matter what the DIP switches were set to. Are there some other conditions required?
  • How did you get the game to actually show the Renchan Rate? If I turn on SW5:2, the game shows “推倒胡” where “R.RATE” is shown in your picture.

For majxtal7:

  • DIP4:4 doesn’t seem to control the Double Bet setting for me. Double Bet is permitted whether that switch is on or off.

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Gently28 commented Apr 9, 2025

ANALYZER ,in game ,push 0, ANALYZER LIST 1,then push A get 2, go on push A ……3 4

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Gently28 commented Apr 9, 2025

look at the colour: blue is hard control, Gray is integration,can not control; other is random or became ……

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Gently28 commented Apr 9, 2025

SW2-5 Computer Strength(コンピューターの強さ) is Win Rate ,and is HOJYU (HJ),请注意看它的颜色不是蓝色,而是棕色,表示系统会AI判定是否放铳。即使放铳也不会显示玩家获胜的回数(WIN COUNT)。
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SW5-2 Renso Rate If ON then player will get 2 or 3 Renso chance,"Presento Game If you win this game, you get a consecutive two presents!";
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if OFF ,forever 1Renso. R-RATE2 =0,R-RATE3 =0

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Gently28 commented Apr 10, 2025

For mjelctrn:

  • Instead of appearing immediately after turning off SW1-1, it appears once after a few rounds of the game (probably between 12~19). Turning on SW1-1 never appears.
  • SW5:2 The banker reward is even more random, not immediately after opening. If there is never this opportunity after closing: Win once to end the stage.
    For majxtal7:
  • DIP4:4 you are right!

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仅仅更改PORT_DIPNAME“……”内名称即可,其它的不用改,如果正常。否则带来冲突。

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Allofich commented Apr 10, 2025

DIP4:4 you are right!

Does this mean DIP4:4 is labeled for Double Bet but has no effect, or was the label itself a mistake? What was the source for the label?

这是不是意味着 DIP4:4 虽然被标注为 Double Bet,但实际上没有作用?还是说这个标注本身就是错误的?这个标注的来源是什么?

仅仅更改PORT_DIPNAME“……”内名称即可,其它的不用改,如果正常。否则带来冲突。

Probably he will make the changes himself and use this PR as a reference, rather than merging it directly.

他可能会自己进行修改,并把这个 PR 作为参考,而不是直接合并这个 PR。

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Gently28 commented Apr 10, 2025

这是游戏公司本来打算把它设置为 Double Bet,但这个功能没有做好,【 (7jigen) 和 (majxtal7)共用一些数据或程序,】所以它是无效的!或者MAME没有完全仿真这个功能。或者有目前未知的功能(可能性微乎其微)。

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Allofich commented Apr 10, 2025

It comes from a manual or something?

是来自手册还是什么别的地方?

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不是,仅仅7jigen有手册,根据基板。7jigen有4个SW位置,使用了2组,预留了2个SW位置。

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Allofich commented Apr 10, 2025

OK. I just want to clarify where the idea about DIP4:4 comes from, so it can be correctly documented in MAME. Is it a guess that you made (such as based on 7jigen), did you find it written somewhere, etc.

好的。我只是想弄清楚关于 DIP4:4 的这个说法是从哪里来的,这样才能在 MAME 中正确记录。是你根据某些东西(比如 7jigen)做的猜测,还是你在某个地方看到有写到,等等?

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Thank you. It's not legible, though. If you can share a more legible version, that would be good.

谢谢你。不过这个看不太清楚。如果你能分享一个更清晰的版本,那就太好了。

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Thanks. And, sorry for so many questions, but can you say was this a document you created, or did you get it from somewhere?

谢谢。还有,抱歉问了这么多问题,但你能说一下这是你自己制作的文件,还是从别的地方得到的?

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是我自己根据原图片加工的,方便添加和修正。

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Allofich commented Apr 10, 2025

It seems to have more information than the page in the photo. Is it a collection from multiple pages or multiple sources?

它似乎比照片中的页面包含更多信息。它是从多个页面或多个来源收集的吗?

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是的!

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Thank you! Hopefully this information will allow @cuavas to make the appropriate changes.

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Allofich commented Apr 10, 2025

Just to be sure:

Double Bet ("W-BET") was written in the official manual for Mahjong X-tal 7 (regardless that it seems to not have that effect in MAME), and you copied this and other DIP information from the manual into the document you shared a screenshot of.

Right?

只是想确认一下:

“Double Bet(W-BET)” 这个标注是写在《Mahjong X-tal 7》的官方手册里的(尽管在 MAME 中似乎没有这个效果),而你是把这个和其他 DIP 的信息从手册里抄到你截图中分享的那个文档里的。

对吗?

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不是,官方没有说明书。

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What is it in the photo?

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Allofich commented Apr 10, 2025

Or, where did the information about DIP4:4 for your document come from?

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比如电子基盘,part1,2,3,4共用一个说明书,尽234的SW与1是不同的,多了2个,但游戏公司没有变动说明书,只是换了颜色。

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没必要纠结这个,这些过时的游戏很少有人玩了。

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Do you mean the information about DIP4:4 comes from the manual for a different game than Mahjong X-tal 7? Your document says Mahjong X-tal 7 \ Mahjong Dimensions7 DIP-SW 仕様書, which sounds like an official manual for Mahjong X-tal 7.

你的意思是,关于 DIP4:4 的信息是来自另一款游戏的手册,而不是《Mahjong X-tal 7》的吗?你的文档上写的是 “Mahjong X-tal 7 \ Mahjong Dimensions7 DIP-SW 仕様書”,这听起来像是《Mahjong X-tal 7》的官方手册。

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游戏公司制作惯例。

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不是官方手册。

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你在游戏公司前后发行的游戏的ANALYZER会发现,它们制作的游戏是有来源的和一脉相承的,只是后续添加或删除了某项,或者更改了称呼。

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There is no official manual for Mahjong X-tal 7 (or at least you do not have one), but you noted 4:4 as "W-BET" in your document as a guess based on earlier games by the same company? Is this right? I'm sorry for so many questions, but I'm still trying to understand. Does this mean that all of the settings for Mahjong X-tal 7 in your document are best guesses, due to lack of a manual?

没有《麻将X-tal 7》的官方手册(或者至少你没有),但你在文档中把4:4标注为“W-BET”,是基于同一家公司之前的游戏猜测的?是这样吗?很抱歉问了这么多问题,但我还是想弄明白。这是否意味着,由于缺乏手册,你文档中所有关于《麻将X-tal 7》的设置都是最佳猜测?

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yes!

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OK. I will leave it to @cuavas if he wants to ask anything else. Thank you for your time, I'm just trying to make it clear what is happening here, so everything can be set straight.

好的。如果@cuavas还有什么问题,我会让他来问。谢谢你抽出时间,我只是想把这里发生的事情说清楚,这样一切就能理清了。

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还有很多呢,一时也说不完。

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