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Hyprland fails to start in a QEMU VM Hyprland 0.45+ aquamarine 5.0 -- black screen no errors #109

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dwilliam62 opened this issue Nov 18, 2024 · 35 comments · Fixed by #121
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@dwilliam62
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Updating Arch (and NIXOS) to Hyrprland 0.45.* and aquamarine 0.4.5+ resulted in black screen with no errors in a Proxmox QEMU VM.

Was forced to roll back to older versions to restore function
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The recent DRM changes seem to be the only ones that might relate to this
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545f506

I tried various combination of hyprland and aquamarine but only rolling back to aquamarine 0.4.3 and hyprland 0.45.0 For NIXOS I had to go back to 0.44.

Anything newer just results in back screen
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Normally that screen appears for a few seconds then hyprland loads.

This is using SDDM for arch, selecting hyprland not hyprland-systemd (which has never worked for me) In NIXOS I use greetd which also yields the same result.

I am using Proxmox but others using Virt Manger w/QEMU are reporting the same issues

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UjinT34 commented Nov 19, 2024

AQ > 0.4.5 will work with HL git only.
545f506 before that explicit sync was half functional. Try disablingexplicit_sync_kms and/or explicit_sync.

@dwilliam62
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I was using 0.45 and 0.45.1 with AQ I tried disabling explict_sync and that didn't resolve the issue. expicit_sync_kms isn't set

@vaxerski
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AQ > 0.4.5 will work with HL git only.

huh? IMO it should work fine once rebuilt.

Can this be bisected? stuff works here.

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I was using 0.45 and 0.45.1 with AQ I tried disabling explict_sync and that didn't resolve the issue. expicit_sync_kms isn't set

Where do I set these configs. Then I could test as well.

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AQ > 0.4.5 will work with HL git only.

huh? IMO it should work fine once rebuilt.

Can this be bisected? stuff works here.

Are you running in a QEMU virtual machine? On H/W no issue. If I update to current builds in NIXOS for example I get from source via a flake, make no other changes, it fails to start with black screen In arch when I updated from AUR same issue. Black screen.

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UjinT34 commented Nov 19, 2024

huh? IMO it should work fine once rebuilt.

Just assumed that those are pre-built packages which might not be compatible

@dwilliam62
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huh? IMO it should work fine once rebuilt.

Just assumed that those are pre-built packages which might not be compatible

They work fine on Hw And in NIXOS I build frm source

inputs = {
nixpkgs.url = "nixpkgs/nixos-unstable";
hyprland.url = "git+https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland?submodules=1"; # hyprland development
hyprland-plugins = {
url = "github:hyprwm/hyprland-plugins";
inputs.hyprland.follows = "hyprland";
};
So for NIXOS that should be fine correct?

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fufexan commented Nov 19, 2024

Correct. Also, you don't need submodules anymore, you can revert back to the regular github: url.

@dwilliam62
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Correct. Also, you don't need submodules anymore, you can revert back to the regular github: url.

Yeah I saw that but haven't bothered to change it back So to review with either Arch or NIXOS current buidls as of a few days ago stopped working in VMs using QEMU. No other changes to config.

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FYI: Another person reported that after upgrading Hyprland/AQ their VMware Workstation VM no longer works. I asked them to post it as well.

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Just helped someone on the Hyprland discord with Virtual box to downgrade to 0.44, 0.4.4 and now it works. Fresh install Arch hyprland I asked them to post here and provide their info.

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Ive got a fresh arch installation in VMware Workstation VM but when i try to run Hyprland the error in the screenshoots happens... Downgrading both hyprland and aquamarine to 0.4.4 it worked.

That error was not one week ago in the same VMware Workstation VM with another fresh arch installation.

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b4shful commented Nov 20, 2024

Wasn't sure if it was the same issue or not - I had issues on VMWare Workstation and had posted it in #110

I'll copy it below:


This VM was working previously, seems like a regression potentially in Aquamarine v5? Been using hyprland-git and aquamarine-git etc.

3D acceleration etc. is enabled and the proper VMWare graphics driver is loaded.

This might be a duplicate of other crashes reported here but I'm not sure, feel free to mark as duplicate if you find which specific issue this aligns with.

Quickly checked to see if Sway works, and it launches fine.

Also occurs both when launching Hyprland from the tty and when using uwsm so it's not related to that.

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   Hyprland Crash Report
--------------------------------------------
Vaxry is going to be upset.

Hyprland received signal 6(ABRT)
Version: 67cee430061626ccd73dc6d30eed9db289053608
Tag: v0.45.0-47-g67cee430
Date: Tue Nov 19 01:16:11 2024
Flags:

System info:
	System name: Linux
	Node name: lobster-vm-archlinux
	Release: 6.11.9-arch1-1
	Version: #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sun, 17 Nov 2024 16:06:17 +0000

GPU:
	00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VMware SVGA II Adapter [15ad:0405] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
	Subsystem: VMware SVGA II Adapter [15ad:0405]


os-release:
	NAME="Arch Linux"
	PRETTY_NAME="Arch Linux"
	ID=arch
	BUILD_ID=rolling
	ANSI_COLOR="38;2;23;147;209"
	HOME_URL="https://archlinux.org/"
	DOCUMENTATION_URL="https://wiki.archlinux.org/"
	SUPPORT_URL="https://bbs.archlinux.org/"
	BUG_REPORT_URL="https://gitlab.archlinux.org/groups/archlinux/-/issues"
	PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/privacy-policy/"
	LOGO=archlinux-logo
Backtrace:
	# | Hyprland(_Z12getBacktracev+0x46) [0x6463360437b6]
		getBacktrace()
		??:?
	#1 | Hyprland(_ZN13CrashReporter18createAndSaveCrashEi+0xabe) [0x646335fca8de]
		CrashReporter::createAndSaveCrash(int)
		??:?
	#2 | Hyprland(_Z25handleUnrecoverableSignali+0x5c) [0x646335f5800c]
		handleUnrecoverableSignal(int)
		??:?
	#3 | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x3d1d0) [0x7efd7c35d1d0]
		??
		??:0
	#4 | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x963f4) [0x7efd7c3b63f4]
		??
		??:0
	#5 | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(gsignal+0x20) [0x7efd7c35d120]
		??
		??:0
	#6 | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(abort+0xdf) [0x7efd7c3444c3]
		??
		??:0
	#7 | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6(+0x97b2c) [0x7efd7c697b2c]
		??
		??:0
	#8 | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6(+0xadf3a) [0x7efd7c6adf3a]
		??
		??:0
	#9 | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6(_ZSt10unexpectedv+0) [0x7efd7c69752a]
		??
		??:0
	#1 | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6(+0xae1f6) [0x7efd7c6ae1f6]
		??
		??:0
	#11 | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6(_ZSt24__throw_out_of_range_fmtPKcz+0x162) [0x7efd7c69b423]
		??
		??:0
	#12 | /usr/lib/libaquamarine.so.4(+0x28731) [0x7efd7d018731]
		??
		??:0
	#13 | Hyprland(_ZN13CMonitorState19ensureBufferPresentEv+0x2d3) [0x64633604dbc3]
		CMonitorState::ensureBufferPresent()
		??:?
	#14 | Hyprland(_ZN13CMonitorState4testEv+0x20) [0x64633604de20]
		CMonitorState::test()
		??:?
	#15 | Hyprland(_ZN13CHyprRenderer16applyMonitorRuleEN9Hyprutils6Memory14CSharedPointerI8CMonitorEEP12SMonitorRuleb+0x9b2) [0x6463362525c2]
		CHyprRenderer::applyMonitorRule(Hyprutils::Memory::CSharedPointer<CMonitor>, SMonitorRule*, bool)
		??:?
	#16 | Hyprland(_ZN8CMonitor9onConnectEb+0xd72) [0x6463360470a2]
		CMonitor::onConnect(bool)
		??:?
	#17 | Hyprland(_ZN11CCompositor12onNewMonitorEN9Hyprutils6Memory14CSharedPointerIN10Aquamarine7IOutputEEE+0x2a4) [0x646335f78864]
		CCompositor::onNewMonitor(Hyprutils::Memory::CSharedPointer<Aquamarine::IOutput>)
		??:?
	#18 | Hyprland(_ZN11CCompositor10initServerENSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEi+0xd86) [0x646335f5ff16]
		CCompositor::initServer(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, int)
		??:?
	#19 | Hyprland(main+0xaac) [0x646335ee40ac]
		main
		??:?
	#2 | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x25e08) [0x7efd7c345e08]
		??
		??:0
	#21 | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0x8c) [0x7efd7c345ecc]
		??
		??:0
	#22 | Hyprland(_start+0x25) [0x646335f14775]
		_start
		??:?


Log tail:
[LOG] XCursor theme Adwaita inherits AdwaitaLegacy
[LOG] XCursor theme Adwaita inherits hicolor
[LOG] XCursor scanning theme AdwaitaLegacy
[LOG] XCursor parsing index.theme /usr/share/icons/AdwaitaLegacy/index.theme
[LOG] XCursor theme AdwaitaLegacy inherits hicolor
[LOG] XCursor scanning theme hicolor
[LOG] XCursor parsing index.theme /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape default loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape context-menu loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape help loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape pointer loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape progress loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape wait loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor failed to find a legacy shape with name plus, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape crosshair loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape text loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape vertical-text loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor failed to find a legacy shape with name dnd-link, skipping
[LOG] XCursor failed to find a legacy shape with name dnd-copy, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape move loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor failed to find a legacy shape with name dnd-none, skipping
[LOG] XCursor failed to find a legacy shape with name crossed_circle, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape grab loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape grabbing loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape e-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape n-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape ne-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape nw-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape s-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape se-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape sw-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape w-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape ew-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape ns-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape nesw-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape nwse-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape col-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape row-resize loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape all-scroll loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape zoom-in loaded, skipping
[LOG] XCursor already has a shape zoom-out loaded, skipping
[LOG] Starting XWayland
[LOG] Starting up the XWayland server
[LOG] XWayland found a suitable display socket at DISPLAY: :0
[LOG] New output with name Virtual-1
[LOG] [hookSystem] New hook event registered: newMonitor
[LOG] [hookSystem] New hook event registered: preMonitorAdded
[WARN] No rule found for Virtual-1, trying to use the first.
[WARN] No rules configured. Using the default hardcoded one.
[LOG] Applying monitor rule for Virtual-1
[LOG] Setting preferred mode for Virtual-1
[LOG] [AQ] GBM: Allocated a new buffer with size [Vector2D: x: 3457, y: 1937] and format XR24 with modifier 0 aka LINEAR
[LOG] [AQ] GBM: Allocated a new buffer with size [Vector2D: x: 3457, y: 1937] and format XR24 with modifier 0 aka LINEAR
[LOG] [AQ] Swapchain: Reconfigured a swapchain to [Vector2D: x: 3457, y: 1937] XR24 of length 2
[LOG] CMonitorState::ensureBufferPresent: no buffer or mismatched format, attaching one from the swapchain for modeset being possible
[ERR] [AQ] drm: No renderer attached to backend
[ERR] output Virtual-1 failed basic test on format DRM_FORMAT_XRGB8888
[ERR] [AQ] GBM: Allocating with modifiers failed, falling back to modifier-less allocation
[ERR] [AQ] GBM: Failed to allocate a GBM buffer: bo null
[ERR] [AQ] Couldn't allocate a gbm buffer with size [Vector2D: x: 3457, y: 1937] and format XB24
[ERR] [AQ] Swapchain: Failed acquiring a buffer
[ERR] output Virtual-1 failed basic test on format DRM_FORMAT_XBGR8888
[LOG] CMonitorState::ensureBufferPresent: no buffer or mismatched format, attaching one from the swapchain for modeset being possible

hyprlandCrashReport1133.txt

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I have the same issue on bare h/w. interesting enough, latest version works running in an incus arch container on same hw

[LOG] ===== SYSTEM INFO: =====
[LOG] System name: Linux
[LOG] Node name: endeavour
[LOG] Release: 6.6.62-1-lts
[LOG] Version: #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sun, 17 Nov 2024 16:35:16 +0000

[LOG] GPU information:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 [8086:1912] (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

[LOG] os-release:
NAME="EndeavourOS"
PRETTY_NAME="EndeavourOS"
ID="endeavouros"
ID_LIKE="arch"
BUILD_ID="2021.12.17"
ANSI_COLOR="38;2;23;147;209"
HOME_URL="https://endeavouros.com"
DOCUMENTATION_URL="https://discovery.endeavouros.com"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forum.endeavouros.com"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://forum.endeavouros.com/c/general-system/endeavouros-installation"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://endeavouros.com/privacy-policy-2"
LOGO="endeavouros"

[LOG] ========================

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I have the same issue on bare h/w. interesting enough, latest version works running in an incus arch container on same hw

That I have not seen. Bare metal works fine. Also like you the VM worked before the update, and if I roll back aquamarine it works

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I have the same issue on bare h/w. interesting enough, latest version works running in an incus arch container on same hw

That I have not seen. Bare metal works fine. Also like you the VM worked before the update, and if I roll back aquamarine it works

Can you share how you roll back aquamarine after installing Hyprland 0.45.x on Arch and Fedora to make it working again?

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can someone bisect the exact aq commit that breaks qemu?

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I have the same issue on bare h/w. interesting enough, latest version works running in an incus arch container on same hw

That I have not seen. Bare metal works fine. Also like you the VM worked before the update, and if I roll back aquamarine it works

Can you share how you roll back aquamarine after installing Hyprland 0.45.x on Arch and Fedora to make it working again?

i used downgrade
aur/downgrade 11.4.2-1 (+797 8.35) (Installed)
Bash script for downgrading one or more packages to a version in your cache or the A.L.A.

Due to dependency of hyprland on aquamarine, had to uninstall hyprland, downgrade aquamarine (0.4.5-1) and then downgrade hyprland(0.45.0.-1)

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Repeating information that is already known or providing more duplicate crash reports will not help this issue.

Please see my comment above.

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I have the same issue on bare h/w. interesting enough, latest version works running in an incus arch container on same hw

That I have not seen. Bare metal works fine. Also like you the VM worked before the update, and if I roll back aquamarine it works

Can you share how you roll back aquamarine after installing Hyprland 0.45.x on Arch and Fedora to make it working again?

i used downgrade aur/downgrade 11.4.2-1 (+797 8.35) (Installed) Bash script for downgrading one or more packages to a version in your cache or the A.L.A.

Due to dependency of hyprland on aquamarine, had to uninstall hyprland, downgrade aquamarine (0.4.5-1) and then downgrade hyprland(0.45.0.-1)

aquamarine 0.4.5-1 + hyprland 0.45.0 works for me as well. Thank you so much. 0.45.2 still not working on KVM.

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JManch commented Nov 28, 2024

#106 is the regressor

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b4shful commented Dec 17, 2024

Check if it's fixed in the latest main branch, this might also be fixed by #119

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I just tried 0.46 and it still doesn't start Same as before.

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b4shful commented Dec 17, 2024

@dwilliam62 it's not a fix in HL 0.46 - it's a fix in Aquamarine which was merged like an hour ago - you would need to ensure you are using aquamarine-git (build it from the latest available git commit)

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I am on NIXOS and I build from source for HL and AQ, etc using a flake

@dwilliam62
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I am trying another flake update again right now

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This is all I get when I try to run 0.46 and AQ 0.5.1

@dwilliam62
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With Arch and all -git packages it is working
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Now I need figure out what's up with NIXOS. :(

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JManch commented Dec 17, 2024

Yeah can confirm this is still an issue on NixOS due to df01de7.

Crash with hyprwm/Hyprland@5f1df55 and Aquamarine a132fa4
hyprlandCrashReport8303.txt
crash_trace.log

Hyprland does not crash when I apply this patch (reverting df01de7)
patch.txt
successful_start.log

edit: fwiw this is the qemu command I'm using:

qemu-system-x86_64 -machine accel=kvm:tcg -cpu max \
  -m 1024 \
  -smp 1 \
  -device virtio-rng-pci \
  -virtfs local,path=/nix/store,security_model=none,mount_tag=nix-store \
  -virtfs local,path="${SHARED_DIR:-$TMPDIR/xchg}",security_model=none,mount_tag=shared \
  -virtfs local,path="$TMPDIR"/xchg,security_model=none,mount_tag=xchg \
  -drive cache=writeback,file="$NIX_DISK_IMAGE",id=drive1,if=none,index=1,werror=report -device virtio-blk-pci,bootindex=1,drive=drive1,serial=root \
  -device virtio-vga-gl \
  -display gtk,show-menubar=off,zoom-to-fit=off,gl=on \
  -device virtio-keyboard \
  -usb \
  -device usb-tablet,bus=usb-bus.0 \
  -kernel ${NIXPKGS_QEMU_KERNEL_ncase_m1:-/nix/store/fydxkc00nhyngqamqrfd6hxkw0ckny8d-nixos-system-ncase-m1-25.05.20241213.3566ab7-dirty/kernel} \
  -initrd /nix/store/71m6lqcvfdz232rysv31l508hshmb3vi-initrd-linux-6.11.11/initrd \
  -append "$(cat /nix/store/fydxkc00nhyngqamqrfd6hxkw0ckny8d-nixos-system-ncase-m1-25.05.20241213.3566ab7-dirty/kernel-params) init=/nix/store/fydxkc00nhyngqamqrfd6hxkw0ckny8d-nixos-system-ncase-m1-25.05.20241213.3566ab7-dirty/init regInfo=/nix/store/x1y2ksjv4lqr58awxxl81sfpngwkcqj8-closure-info/registration console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0 $QEMU_KERNEL_PARAMS"

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richen604 commented Dec 17, 2024

having the same issue with virtio-vga-gl drivers as well
looks like the problematic code is here

was able to reproduce by removing / adding this check

    if (!backend->rendererState.renderer) {
        backend->backend->log(AQ_LOG_ERROR, "drm: No renderer attached to backend");
        return false;
    }

out of my wheelhouse, but it may be possible that some drivers such as virtgl can handle display directly without a renderer

the benefits of the return might be better situated like so

bool Aquamarine::CDRMOutput::commit() {
    // Only check for renderer if we need to do buffer blitting/composition
    if (backend->shouldBlit() && !backend->rendererState.renderer) {
        backend->backend->log(AQ_LOG_ERROR, "drm: No renderer attached to backend when required for blitting");
        return false;
    }
    return commitState();
}

edit: including a patch.txt

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ikalco commented Dec 18, 2024

@richen604
yeah that makes sense, you can probably open a PR and it'll get merged
just make sure the check is inside commitState() at around line 1523, before blit is done

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still get black screen with extra/aquamarine 0.5.1-2 (342.9 KiB 1.2 MiB) (Installed)

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still get black screen with extra/aquamarine 0.5.1-2 (342.9 KiB 1.2 MiB) (Installed)

You need to update hyprland, 0.46.2 & aquamarine 0.5.1-3 and make sure mesa is up to date Make sure you don't have any -git packages either. (I am assuming Arch?)

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I had mesa-amber installed.... changed to mesa and it works now. Thanks

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I had mesa-amber installed.... changed to mesa and it works now. Thanks

You're welcome! Happy holidays!

vaxerski added a commit that referenced this issue Jan 10, 2025
* do not set cursor planeProps unless smth changed

* do not skip cursor state flag setting

* drm: scan only cards and not outputs, safeguard against null renderer (#106)

* drm: dont scan card outputs

no need to scan for card[0-9]* and probe card0-eDP etc if they are kms,
bootvga and rendernodes etc. skip the wildcard and remove a unused
size_t variable.

* drm: dont commit state if renderer is missing

setting certain env vars to force egl implentations makes the render
creation fail on the second gpu. instead of causing a coredump,
safeguard commitState and let the monitor turn blank instead.

* props: bump version to 0.5.0

* drm: Validate conn before dereference in CDRMAtomicRequest::commit() (#108)

During startup, CDRMAtomicImpl::reset() may emit a call to method
commit of a CDRMAtomicRequest instance with member "conn" uninitialized,
leading to a segfault. Validate the the pointer before dereference it as
a workaround.

Fixes: 55ac962 ("DRM: preliminary atomic support")
Closes: #107

Signed-off-by: Yao Zi <[email protected]>

* buffer: remove useless forward def

* drm: clearer flow when rescanning connectors (#113)

* consolidates into checkOutput for clearer flow when rescanning connectors

* add error log

* drm: allow multigpu blit from explicit to implicit (#114)

* version: bump to 0.5.1

* flake.lock: update

* flake.nix: gcc13 -> gcc14 (#118)

* drm: udev scan only drm_minor, not connectors (#119)

* drm: log errno set by drmModeAtomicCommit (#120)

* drm: moved null check for renderer to shouldBlit() (#109) (#121)

* drm: only fail INVALID format when enabled (#122)

* flake.lock: update

* drm: only clear buffers when fullReconfigure succeeds (#124)

* core/drm: Add HDR Support (#112)

* version: bump to 0.6.0

* drm: limit udev drm_minor to Linux after a132fa4 (#129)

Not implemented by libudev-devd yet:

[ERR] [AQ] drm: No gpus in scanGPUs.
[ERR] [AQ] drm: Found no gpus to use, cannot continue
[ERR] [AQ] DRM Backend failed

* do not set cursor planeProps unless smth changed

* test separate cursor commits

* do not change hdr blob unless asked to

* rebase

* split atomic commit processing and move hdr & colorspace into modeset

* fix wide color gamut flag & cleanup

* remove unused debug var

---------

Signed-off-by: Yao Zi <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Tom Englund <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Vaxry <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Ziyao <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Ikalco <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Mihai Fufezan <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Austin Horstman <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Richard Henninger <[email protected]>
Co-authored-by: Jan Beich <[email protected]>
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